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Post by FancyDante on Oct 11, 2013 7:00:57 GMT
I stick by that there's something in my gut that doesn't sit right with Leorion.
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Post by KrAzY on Oct 11, 2013 7:21:23 GMT
has leorion sent his role to you?
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Post by FancyDante on Oct 11, 2013 18:28:41 GMT
Nope.
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Post by Alfrazar on Oct 11, 2013 20:19:26 GMT
I feel as though I should post more in this thread, but there isn't anything I can think of. It is so hard to get the right people lynched like this though
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Post by Leorion on Oct 11, 2013 20:27:01 GMT
KrAzY I was never told to send my role. FancyDante Gut feeling has to come from something. What is the reason of this gut feeling? If I need to send my role, I will gladly send it.
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Post by KrAzY on Oct 11, 2013 21:09:55 GMT
I wasnt implying you had, I was also wondering about his gut feeling
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Post by FancyDante on Oct 11, 2013 23:08:47 GMT
I have reason to believe that scum are armed with not only a safe claim but VT role information. Making it impossible to confirm with any information Leorion could possibly offer me.
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Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Oct 12, 2013 1:50:59 GMT
I have reason to believe that scum are armed with not only a safe claim but VT role information. Making it impossible to confirm with any information Leorion could possibly offer me. A'ight. Which means that any role/nameclaims that anybody sent to you are worthless. So that exercise a few pages back was really an exercise in futility.
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Post by FancyDante on Oct 12, 2013 8:25:32 GMT
I have reason to believe that scum are armed with not only a safe claim but VT role information. Making it impossible to confirm with any information Leorion could possibly offer me. A'ight. Which means that any role/nameclaims that anybody sent to you are worthless. So that exercise a few pages back was really an exercise in futility. Not entirely, I have gained a great deal of information.
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Post by Leorion on Oct 12, 2013 10:39:00 GMT
I have reason to believe that scum are armed with not only a safe claim but VT role information. Making it impossible to confirm with any information Leorion could possibly offer me. Well then how am I supposed to clear the doubts from myself if that was the case? Are you saying that the GM would just eliminate the only aspect that verify town with? If Mafia have that ability then GG.
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Post by FancyDante on Oct 12, 2013 17:27:44 GMT
Leorion Not true at all, we have write ups, behavior, the only thing it stops us from doing is using flavor/pm's to confirm town. Which we shouldn't need in the first place since both of those are horrible.
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Post by Leorion on Oct 12, 2013 18:51:28 GMT
Leorion Not true at all, we have write ups, behavior, the only thing it stops us from doing is using flavor/pm's to confirm town. Which we shouldn't need in the first place since both of those are horrible. Well going by all that... Investigate me! ... is that all I can do?
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Post by FancyDante on Oct 12, 2013 18:52:40 GMT
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Post by Leorion on Oct 12, 2013 20:59:54 GMT
Are you presuming there is no cop? Does this game have no cop?
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Post by KrAzY on Oct 12, 2013 22:28:08 GMT
technically the whole investigation team are cops until they all quit
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Post by FancyDante on Oct 12, 2013 23:55:50 GMT
I would assume that the town do not have an investigation role in this setup due to how incredibly strong that would be.
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Post by Ratchet on Oct 13, 2013 17:32:36 GMT
Popping in to say I have no qualms with Leorion being offered as a lynch. I don't have any real suspicion on anyone atm.
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Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Oct 13, 2013 19:24:27 GMT
So far, it's a pretty weird game. Scum haven't really done anything, and town has no good ways to tell who is scum and who isn't.
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Post by KrAzY on Oct 14, 2013 23:48:41 GMT
well, i'm not about to lynch Leorion based on "just a hunch" when your last "just a hunch" about tim was dispelled the moment that he sent you his role claim
either you have some evidence or you are guessing. I am willing to lynch someone randomly if there is no evidence, but I'm not going to accept "hunches" that are just your euphamism for guesses.
tell the truth about your hunch. if you have evidence, present it to me, however, if you are making a wild guess then say so.
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Post by Leorion on Oct 15, 2013 17:03:01 GMT
Oh well, I won't be a major loss for town and all I can do is senselessly trying to think of something to do during the day.
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Post by FancyDante on Oct 15, 2013 17:55:40 GMT
well, i'm not about to lynch Leorion based on "just a hunch" when your last "just a hunch" about tim was dispelled the moment that he sent you his role claim either you have some evidence or you are guessing. I am willing to lynch someone randomly if there is no evidence, but I'm not going to accept "hunches" that are just your euphamism for guesses. tell the truth about your hunch. if you have evidence, present it to me, however, if you are making a wild guess then say so. Well then I would suggest you come up with your own ideas, since I seem to be running the town solo since day one. I've explained why revealing information is a horrible idea in this game and gone on to attempt to pice the best picture of the game I possibly can for the town. However if you wish to forsake my advice by all means, you have a mind of your own. That does not mean I will sit here and release information into the public view for scum to use to kill us. Read his posts come up with a conclusion of your own. The Evidence is already in thread and I have already stated what I am basing my gut on in this case. Please pay attention and read.
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Post by KrAzY on Oct 15, 2013 18:41:16 GMT
dante, i'm going to put this flat. I am not having any fun in this game. I have been paying attention the entire time and I am SICK of you being the only one calling the shots this entire game and then sitting up on a high horse with your information. you say that you've been running town the entire time and yet all you've done is lead lynches against inactives. you did a good thing by keeping info in private, but that doesn't make you infallable and I am NOT going to listen to you based on gut feelings alone.
unlike others in this thread it seems I HAVE been reading everyone's posts in the thread, I disagree with you that Leorion has posted anything incriminating. if YOU learned how to read you would have seen that I said present your evidence. that means you can go back through and find what it is that YOU think warrants him being lynched and show it to me. you condescend and tell me to go back and read the thread again and I will lynch you instead.
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Post by Ratchet on Oct 15, 2013 19:44:59 GMT
dante, i'm going to put this flat. I am not having any fun in this game. I have been paying attention the entire time and I am SICK of you being the only one calling the shots this entire game and then sitting up on a high horse with your information. you say that you've been running town the entire time and yet all you've done is lead lynches against inactives. you did a good thing by keeping info in private, but that doesn't make you infallable and I am NOT going to listen to you based on gut feelings alone. unlike others in this thread it seems I HAVE been reading everyone's posts in the thread, I disagree with you that Leorion has posted anything incriminating. if YOU learned how to read you would have seen that I said present your evidence. that means you can go back through and find what it is that YOU think warrants him being lynched and show it to me. you condescend and tell me to go back and read the thread again and I will lynch you instead. Bolded bit not advised. Dante has been the one controlling the information that he has got, lynching him doesn't make sense. It would be like ripping the heart out of the town. Anyway KrAzY, you're the King, so it's really up to you. I guess we need to use our lynches, so if you don't find Leorion suspicious, tell us who you do find suspicious, and we'll lynch one of them, if that's what you want.
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Post by KrAzY on Oct 15, 2013 20:50:26 GMT
well personally, as I have felt the entire game. the person soaking up all the info and then being followed by everyone else for town lynches is the one who I find the most suspicious.
I am serious about my threat though. you are charismatic and people are just going with the flow and that is dangerous. if you don't have enough evidence on anyone to give more than a "gut feeling" about someone who hasnt done anything suspicious then the info you do have is worthless. I will cut that out to make sure, even if that means I get lynched tomorrow. if all we are going to do is random lynch you cant have the person who holds all of the cards be immune to that.
so, provide some evidence, privately if you don't want to post anything in the thread. be it a post in the thread or something you received from someone else. I know you aren't the kingmaker as there is no way you would have made me king twice with how much I argue with you... and I know you aren't my character who is kinda a big one in the story. we dont need you dante.
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Post by Rasq'uire'laskar on Oct 15, 2013 23:21:24 GMT
I'm with KrAzY.
Dante has been controlling the info, but he doesn't have any info worth controlling if scum have been given cover roles. Random-lynching hasn't gotten us anywhere, and neither has following Dante's gut feelings.
Lynching him seems like the best option.
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Post by Ratchet on Oct 16, 2013 15:02:19 GMT
Well, I'm against lynching Dante, if what he's told me is true, and I strongly believe that it is, lynching Leorion would be better. But, if KrAzY decides that he wants to lynch Dante, I can't really say much to stop him from doing so.
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Post by KrAzY on Oct 16, 2013 15:42:29 GMT
you notice I havnt lynched dante yet. I don't want him dead, I am just sick of how he is playing the game and I am willing to remove him to actually attempt to make the game fun. I dont see any point in playing if all the game is going to be is "what does dante think?... okay lets lynch that person" which is what this game is right now because he has all of the info and wont give more than vauge hints and guesses.
its a game, winning really doesnt mean shit if the experience of playing it sucks
how about instead of this circlejerk of vagueness you are perpetuating you tell me a reason to lynch leorion, "because dante says so" is obviously not going to fly with me. please give me an actual reason.
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Post by deadguy on Oct 16, 2013 19:30:28 GMT
I don't think scum have access to vt info and I don't believe that anyone has said anything remotely incriminating. I don't like the lynch train and it's the decision of the current king on who to lynch. The game clearly doesn't have enough active roles so I'm down with whatever krazy wants to do since we're just killing off vts at this point.
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Post by Leorion on Oct 16, 2013 21:11:43 GMT
Well, I'm against lynching Dante, if what he's told me is true, and I strongly believe that it is, lynching Leorion would be better. But, if KrAzY decides that he wants to lynch Dante, I can't really say much to stop him from doing so. What has he told you?
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Post by FancyDante on Oct 17, 2013 6:32:56 GMT
dante, i'm going to put this flat. I am not having any fun in this game. I have been paying attention the entire time and I am SICK of you being the only one calling the shots this entire game and then sitting up on a high horse with your information. you say that you've been running town the entire time and yet all you've done is lead lynches against inactives. you did a good thing by keeping info in private, but that doesn't make you infallable and I am NOT going to listen to you based on gut feelings alone. unlike others in this thread it seems I HAVE been reading everyone's posts in the thread, I disagree with you that Leorion has posted anything incriminating. if YOU learned how to read you would have seen that I said present your evidence. that means you can go back through and find what it is that YOU think warrants him being lynched and show it to me. you condescend and tell me to go back and read the thread again and I will lynch you instead. well personally, as I have felt the entire game. the person soaking up all the info and then being followed by everyone else for town lynches is the one who I find the most suspicious. I am serious about my threat though. you are charismatic and people are just going with the flow and that is dangerous. if you don't have enough evidence on anyone to give more than a "gut feeling" about someone who hasnt done anything suspicious then the info you do have is worthless. I will cut that out to make sure, even if that means I get lynched tomorrow. if all we are going to do is random lynch you cant have the person who holds all of the cards be immune to that. so, provide some evidence, privately if you don't want to post anything in the thread. be it a post in the thread or something you received from someone else. I know you aren't the kingmaker as there is no way you would have made me king twice with how much I argue with you... and I know you aren't my character who is kinda a big one in the story. we dont need you dante. you notice I havnt lynched dante yet. I don't want him dead, I am just sick of how he is playing the game and I am willing to remove him to actually attempt to make the game fun. I dont see any point in playing if all the game is going to be is "what does dante think?... okay lets lynch that person" which is what this game is right now because he has all of the info and wont give more than vauge hints and guesses. its a game, winning really doesnt mean shit if the experience of playing it sucks how about instead of this circlejerk of vagueness you are perpetuating you tell me a reason to lynch leorion, "because dante says so" is obviously not going to fly with me. please give me an actual reason. Firstly I would like if you would mind your manners a bit. I have not insulted you or been condescending. I would ask the same level of respect from you. I simply requested you read through the same posts I have to see if you came to the same conclusion as myself. If you don't then we disagree, that doesn't mean I am being condescending or trying to ruin your fun in any manner. In fact I am sorry you are not enjoying yourself. I do understand that Mafia isn't for everyone and while we are short on replacements if you wish to replace out I would try to find a replacement for you myself. I would hate for anyone to sit in a game they are not enjoying. I am glad someone other than just a couple, are active and trying to play. However for the most parts we have a lot of sitters and not much in the line of do-ers. This I find is the sole issue with the town at the moment. We should encourage people to post ideas or thoughts. Which I have been attempting to do. However it seems as through most members of our town are content with just nodding and not offering feedback. As I'm sure you're aware yourself, it is this feedback that allows town to effectively hunt and find scum. By saying simple statements as who I think we should lynch, I would hope we would receive feedback from a large majority of the players, instead of just a lynch. A Spark of discussion if you will. Which to my great dismay, minus yourself, seems to have failed. I am however confused as to what you wish to gain by this threat. I cannot reveal to you any information that I have gathered outside of the thread, as that may result in town deaths, since you, yourself, may be Kira. I understand your frustration but taking it out on an active, and pro-active townie that is not only bringing discussion but ideas to the table is a tactic I am not quite grasping. I was hoping that having out of thread discussions with people would give people the idea to take the chance to do it themselves. Even just talking about what they think about an idea privately may be useful for townies to know. Or to brainstorm together. Even scum must give town like appearance and ideas outside and inside of thread in this game when interacting with town. So why not interact and gain information itself. I am not denying you the chance to do it yourself. I am however refusing to put into danger the players that have confided within me. I am sorry, but I cannot break their trust even at the point of your lynch gun. Maybe would could instead, continue to talk about who you find suspect and why instead of taking our your frustration on me. I find no fault of my own that I am able to convey my ideas clearly and with their pro's and con's equally. I have not lied or tried to bend the truth in any way. I purposed my idea of myself gathering information early and fairly, with all the problems it could lead to and the benefits it has. I'm afraid I cannot change that about myself and while I do agree it is a problem that people just nod instead of discussion I cannot blame that on me. I would instead ask you to take your anger out on people that are nodding and avoiding the notion of having to form an opinion. The information I have is of character names and roles along with a collection of few ideas and hard fought opinions. I consider it invaluable to myself since the lack of baseline posts in the thread is insanely distributing. Its hard to form any sort of relationship between players in this thread since they simply refuse to comment on one another. That's why the few opinions I have collected between a few players along with their role information, is something I do indeed regard as important. However I am confused again. Why are you so set against me, yet want my information gathering to win the town the game right now this second? That is conflicting to me, not scummy, just conflictingly confusing. I understand you're becoming impatient but if you want me to pick the scum out of the group right this moment, I cannot. In that regard I have failed you. You have also said, "All we're doing is random lynching." Which I'm afraid is incorrect. No lynch has been random, as we have been picking off inactives in hope to spark the town to discussion, We have avoided lynching any player who posts regularly and is at least trying to be active. I am confused as to why you would want to change that now, on the base of your own gut, since you haven't offered any reason of your own after accusing me of not offering reasons. I do believe the only reasoning you've said you want to lynch me for is that I am Charismatic, which isn't actually a reason, and that people listen to me, which has to do with the first bit and again, isn't actually a flaw with myself. It would be with those who wish to only nod. That would be more logical. I thank you for giving me a chance to defend myself. However I know I've said this a lot in response to you saying it, I'm completely lost as to why you have an issue with the way I play. I am playing reasonably and logically. Trying to spark discussion in the town and not threatening anyone or forcing them to do anything. As far as I understood Mafia was a game of discussion so if we're not discussing the people that aren't should be the one's at fault instead of the one giving thoughts of his own. I still encourage everyone to use the ability to talk out of thread or in thread about their own thoughts on the game or people they would lynch if they were the king and why. I'm afraid I still cannot give out the information I have as it does endanger the town members that have trusted me with it, no matter how many times you threaten me. I would like to leave you with one thought tho, I love discussion in Mafia and debate. It truly is the finest point of the game, and if I was the Kingmaker I would always pick a King that I could discuss with instead of push over and do whatever I suggested. As you said yourself, it's simply not a Mafia game if the whole thread is spent following one person and never talking.
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